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javacody |
Best String retainer on no-angle headstocks |
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I've finally come to grips with the fact that I've got sproingy sounding open strings and want to correct this. I have no real interest in being
vintage correct. I want to know what the best functioning string retainers are? Any recommendations? I'm using an Earvana nut and have no plans to remove
this.
Blah Blah Woof
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PeteMK1 |
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I'm using a roller string tree (like this: http://www.allparts.com/store/hardware-string-guides-ap-0718-023,Product.asp
) for the b and e strings, with a set of staggered tuners. Works pretty well for me.
You can say you to
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javacody |
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Yes, I've got the staggered sperzels, which I thought would be enough, but it's not quite. Thanks for the recommendation, I seem to remember that newer
American Fender's have something similar?
Blah Blah Woof
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peterH |
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I'm glad you brought this up. I put staggered sperzels on my USACG strat neck hoping to eliminate string treees. I've got open string buzz on the
high e string and thought it might be a badly cut nut slot. I suspect you are correct that it is just too shallow of an angle running from the nut to the peg
to put the proper pressure on the nut. If I press the string behind the nut after it is plucked, the buzz disappears and the note sustains with greater volume
and clarity. I just really hate to drill into that beautiful nitro USACG headstock.
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javacody |
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I know what you mean, Peter.
This old aussie guy I affectionately call Tex opened my eyes to the fact that the staggered Sperzels weren't cutting it. I wonder if he still frequents this forum?
Blah Blah Woof
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kidmag |
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Hey guys, just an fyi. I've done two guitars with vintage kluson tuners with no string trees - no problems at all, open strings sound great. Not sure if
it's the tuners, my high frets (6105), or what, but I'm happy I didn't have to install string trees.
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javacody |
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I have 6105 frets and fairly high action with 11's and I have a wonderful sitar sound on the open d and g strings.
How high is your nut? That may have something to do with it, also, are these trem guitars? If so, do you have the trem set up floating or locked down to the body?
Blah Blah Woof
Woof
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peterH |
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I guess tonality won out over aesthetics...I went ahead and installed 2 string trees and put life back into the open strings. The staggered height Sperzels
are a good idea but just don't quite produce enough angle and pressure imo. The trees came off the neck I bought from the other guys...I'm not sure
who the hardware supplier is, Allparts? In any case, there's a huge difference in sound with the string guides, very pleased.
'99 AmStd Strat Olympic White w/white pickguard USACG 1/4 Sawn Maple/Rosewood neck, Asymmetric, nitro finish, 1.65" bone nut, 6100 frets Callaham 2-point to 6-point conversion vintage bridge with Callaham block, springs, claw, hardware, etc VanZandt blues pickups Peter |
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Schneidas |
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peterH wrote: Very interesting. I'm thinking about doing the same mod to my American Standard trem. Was the Callaham conversion kit easy to install and hassle free? Has it worked out well for you? |
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peterH |
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Schneidas--the conversion kit is essentially a barrel with an external thread that threads into the strat insert that's pressed into the body. The barrel
also has internal threads that will accept the new Callaham pivot screws for the floating tremolo. The difficulty is setting the barrel position in the hole
so that it allows the pivot screws to seat properly which is critical. The barrel depth position is variable depending on the depth of the drilled hole in
your strat. To compensate for this, there is a drive screw inside the barrel that is used to find the bottom of the hole while in turn allows positioning the
barrel to the proper height. I'm probably making it sound more confusing than it is...the instructions are very clear. It was a little bit of a trial and
error though.
Also, I was confident to go with the vintage bridge/saddles having the extra width because my neck was 1.650" at the nut which sort of compensates for the extra width at the bridge, and the frets are not overly beveled at the edges. Thoroughly satisfied with all of the Callaham parts. (not seeing the picture I posted, is it gone?) Peter |
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Schneidas |
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Thanks a lot for the detailed answer. Seems good to me.
One more question as I didn't quite get it: do you have to keep the vintage Callaham bridge floating when using the conversion kit or does it work fine for putting the bridge flush on the body? Btw, your pic shows up fine here... |
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javacody |
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I can see the photo, and it is excellent for illustrating what we are talking about. I like the look of those trees too. I wonder where I could find some?
I guess tonality won out over aesthetics...I went ahead and installed 2 string trees and put life back into the open strings. The staggered height Sperzels are a good idea but just don't quite produce enough angle and pressure imo. I agree 100%.
Blah Blah Woof
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Schneidas |
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javacody wrote: I believe these are available from Allparts and also from the turtle shop. I have those on my USACG Strat too. Those are good quality string trees |
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peterH |
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"......do you have to keep the vintage Callaham bridge floating when using the conversion kit or does it work fine for putting the bridge flush on the
body? "
no you can set the bridge flush and would work fine, you just have to set the barrel position with that in mind. Peter |
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kidmag |
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javacody wrote:
Not sure what the deal is because I had originally planned to put on string trees, but was waiting until the guitar was strung to get the correct positioning. To my delight, neither neck needed them. |
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javacody |
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Aha, I bet its down to the bridge difference. I use vintage Strat type trems (one is a Callaham, the other is an Allparts, both excellent bridges by the way).
Both are set up as floating as well.
Peter, do you have your bridge floating or screwed down to the body?
Blah Blah Woof
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peterH |
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"....Aha, I bet its down to the bridge difference."
I think you are correct here also, it makes sense. The angular distance between fixed or floating bridge could probably make the difference between needing string trees or not. My bridge is floating, a little high actually since I recently raised the saddles. I'll try another picture: Peter |
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javacody |
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My bridges are both setup the same way and I have fairly high action as well. Maybe we've solved the puzzle?
Blah Blah Woof
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peterH |
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" My bridges are both setup the same way and I have fairly high action as well. Maybe we've solved the puzzle? "
By cracky, I think so! Thanks again for raising the issue. Peter |
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javacody |
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I have to say, that I really dig your photography. The shots are really good. You got any more photos? Oly white strats are may favorites next to dakota red.
Blah Blah Woof
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peterH |
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Java--thanks. My son gave me the camera for Christmas, Nikon Coolpix L11. I've never owned a camera. I didn't have a clue how to use it really but
it was pretty easy to get nice closeups and fun to play with. Here are some shots that probably aren't so good.
Peter |
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