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 oldraftery |
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Posts: 143 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 00:31:38 Contributing Bronze Member |
I am looking for tuners with the following qualities:
1. lightweight 2. smooth, stable operation 3. simple construction/appearance. These are to outfit my Tele shape with humbuckers project. Thanks in advance for your help, Oldraftery |
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Posts: 14 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 04:47:22 |
How about either one of these?
http://www.stewmac.com/sh...ites/Details.html#details http://store.hipshotprodu...=product_detail&p=245 The Hipshots have the advantage that you can choose your buttons. Eelco
Martin Custom 0021
'63 Fender Strat ----------------- "Even at my age I got more Time than Money, now that's fer DANG sure!!" |
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Boris Bubbanov |
Serious about light weight | #2 | ||
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Posts: 80 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 16:57:49 |
oldraftery wrote:http://www.allparts.com/s...s-tk-0980-001,Product.asp The plastic buttons are slightly lighter than the usual nickel ones. Gotoh "klusons" are all that, my easy favorite. |
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oldraftery |
Thanks Guys... | #3 | ||
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Posts: 144 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 21:48:49 Contributing Bronze Member |
Those are great suggestions. I am researching to find the exact weight of the Hipshot and Gotoh models. I suspect the Gotoh will be the lightest. I will
post my findings.
Any more suggestions out there? Thanks, Oldraftery |
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Boris Bubbanov |
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Posts: 81 Fri, Nov 14, 2008 01:35:56 |
The usual Gotoh "klusons" with the metal buttons are 5.5 ounces, if I recall correctly. That's with vintage size bushes; if you are converting a
modern guitar, add something for the bigger OD conversion bushes.
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Posts: 1203 Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:22:37 Contributing Palladium Member |
It's hard to go wrong with Gotoh Klusons. Especially on a classic design like a Tele.
--Garrett--
G-tars |
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oldraftery |
Gotoh's w/ plastic knob... | #6 | ||
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Posts: 146 Sat, Nov 15, 2008 00:08:11 Contributing Bronze Member |
1 tuner = 0.7oz
Thank you, Allparts Music Corp. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I have to admit, I kind of like the plastic ones. They remind me of an old Fender hanging on the wall of a pawn shop. One that you actually might buy for a decent price, with a kind of funky character to it. Oldraftery |
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Boris Bubbanov |
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Posts: 82 Sat, Nov 15, 2008 01:29:20 |
oldraftery wrote:I think that 6 regular bushings with 7 screws are about .8 ounces, 6 conversion (AmStd size) bushes with screws are about 1.0 ounces. Perhaps the advantage of plastic over nickel buttons could be as high as .5 ounces, possibly more if their .7 ounce weight included any hardware. Just guesstimating; my scale is honestly older than me, dating from when US postage went from 2 cents to 3 cents, first class. |
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Posts: 1167 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 05:48:18 FIB Humble Man of Steel |
I know this is an older topic, but it is my understanding that Sperzels are constructed of aluminum and very light. I would think the open backed ones would be
extremely light.
Blah Blah Woof
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-Jimi Hendrix |
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Boris Bubbanov |
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Posts: 131 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 14:43:03 |
They could be. The conventional style Sperzel lockers have more in common weight wise with the Gotoh referred to above than they do with the ridiculous
Schallers.
Who has these in stock, these open backed ones? Much obliged. |
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Posts: 1168 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 14:47:01 FIB Humble Man of Steel |
No one I know of. I get mine from Todd at TKInstruments, and they are drop shipped from the
Sperzel factory.
Blah Blah Woof
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-Jimi Hendrix |
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Boris Bubbanov |
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Posts: 133 Thu, Mar 19, 2009 15:19:40 |
Excellent!
I really like the looks of the loading mechanism. Gotta try a couple sets. Thanks! |
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Posts: 1264 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 16:55:56 Contributing Silver Member |
The Hipshots are much smoother than the open-back Sperzels while being nearly as light. They also have a higher gear ratio. Thus far, the Hipshots are
my favorite tuners, bar none. I think it's possible to use other brands of buttons (including ebony or plastic) for reducing weight even further, but I
haven't tried this yet.
You can order the Sound-lock tuners directly from Sperzel, but you will have to wait until a batch in the appropriate color is made. (Kinda like ordering pickups from Bill Lawrence.) They are also available from http://www.specialtyguita...om/tuners/soundlock.html or from TK instruments as mentioned above. -Ben |
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Posts: 3196 Mon, Mar 23, 2009 22:38:20 Contrib. Silver Charter Member |
bfurman wrote:I'm guessing these have a standard sort of shaft, and not the hollow shaft like some old Klusons, right?
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their
women." - The Governator
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Posts: 1 Sun, Mar 29, 2009 06:38:01 |
Boris Bubbanov wrote:Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I put a warmoth pro construction compound radius (10-16") maple/maple neck on my '97 mexi strat in 2005 when the original frets wore out. I had no idea that truss rods changed tone (and didn't stop to think analytically about it). So I've had this double expanding truss rod neck for years and have also been struggling with a somewhat sterile and overbright tone. After years of this I finally fixed the problem by replacing my Celestion G12H30 speaker with a real greenback (which is mixed with a Vintage 30). However, the sound is still not optimal. It is still just a bit too harsh/sharp/bright right on the pick attack. After reading the USACG site I now understand why. I have those really heavy Fender Schaller locking tuners. Do you guys think that the weight steals sustain or something? I get good sustain, but all that metal in my neck may be the reason. On Monday I'm going to order a neck from USACG... and may go for a body too, depending on what the calculator tells me! I've replaced everything on my strat- except this cheapo poplar body. What is THAT doing to my sound? I know Tommy calls it "poor man's alder" on the site (so I guess it sounds the same)! So I suppose I have assembled the brightest guitar possible without knowing it? 
Oh yeah- its got Stainless Steel frets too! But I'm going to get them on my USACG neck too because I do huge bends constantly and play really hard, and don't like feeling the resistance of non SS frets as they grind away. I also don't want a luthier accidentally messing up my neck when I have to get a fret job every 3 or 4 years. Thoughts, comments, rude remarks?
So it sounds like I'm gonna have to order new tuners after you tell me what these schallers are doing to my sound?!
thanks for any suggestions! -Matt - a HUGE SRV fan, but also into Queensryche, Rush, and misc rock too (to give you an idea of the tone I'm going for). I do have a Duncan Custom Custom humbucker in the bridge, so when it comes to SRV I'm clearly not much of a purist!
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Posts: 135 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 03:18:27 |
Welcome, Matt!
I think ditching that "pro construction" neck will do wonders. I really like the balanced sound I seem to get from a USACG neck with these basic truss rods, although I tend to go for a one inch thick neck and the only rod less intrusive on a neck that big is none at all. Poplar isn't gonna hurt, I don't think. Neither it nor alder produce an overly bright guitar in the vast number of cases. I can't honestly say the Schallers help or hurt on sustain. I like to put the neck mass strictly in the form of the girth of the neck wood itself. I remember playing ball as a kid and how resonant a solid ash bat was - and also how a loaded bat felt like junk in my hands. I don't want any weight, whether in the form of a double truss rod or overweight tuners, dumbing down the potential of the wood in the neck. By comparison once you get past the crucial neck to neck pocket join, the body wood species can be as important as which brand of cereal you ate for breakfast - in a comparative sense, of course. |
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