Hey, grOOvadelicrelic. Dry humor seems to be in the air, so maybe I'm just getting suckered here. But provided I'm not, here's just a super-brief background on USACG. They all came from Warmoth and all the good guys left to bigger and better things. Warmoth cut corners, misled customers, and provided a less-than-ideal product which (as their logo is a Turtle) was the inspiration for the Impaled Turtle T. So, this really isn't even a matter of Warmoth v. USACG...the experts from the former are the latter.