Fuzzy,
That's my intention, to build one using Tommy's and Bill's parts. Yep, that'll do it.
Blessings
I'm drinking from the saucer!
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still4given |
Re: Q filter What does it do, exactly? | #21 | ||
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[Not buying guitars since '93 is only part of the story, because I've built 6 guitars for my own amusement since then. Hmm..... ]
Fuzzy, That's my intention, to build one using Tommy's and Bill's parts. Yep, that'll do it. Blessings Terry
I'm drinking from the saucer! |
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nocaster |
Re: Q filter What does it do, exactly? | #22 | ||
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...From the Man himself: The Q-Filter is an LCR network - a 1 henry, low Q noisefree inductor in series with a .02 micro farad cap in parallel with an 8 kilo ohm resistor. Wired like a cap to a tone pot, you can gradually decrease the impedance of the circuit but maintaining a slightly higher impedance below 1100 Hertz. Also available without the cap and the resistor to gradually decrease the impedance of the pickup. The EQ system is the most versatile system to alter the sound of a guitar and can be used for multiple functions. The basic components are a 900mh low Q inductor in series with a capacitor and a variable resistor (tone pot). We used to ship it as a complete pre-tuned unit to replace the cap at the tone pot, limited for one basic function. However, in conjunction with different pickups in different positions, it's much more versatile when the inductor is separated from the cap, like [shipped now]. In the past, this caused severe problems when players used the wrong caps and resistors, especially when the EQ was wired to a switch only. The system must be wired to a control or you totally limit its functions, as follows: Function A - the L Filter - the inductor, wired like a cap to the tone pot. When you turn the pot from 10 to 0, you slowly reduce the impedance of the pickup. This is equal to taking turns off the pickup or making a sweet clean pickup out of a high power, overdrive pickup. This works fine for the neck pickup. With the control set below 3, the impedance is much too low so we block the control with a fixed 10 kilo ohm resistor or don't turn the control below 3 or 4. Function B - the EQ Filter On the bridge pickup, we want to maintain more lows so we block the inductor with a resistor in parallel with a cap. Now, when you turn the control to zero and you use hi-fi speakers, you can duplicate the sound of an acoustic guitar. With the controls on 3, you can get out of the bridge pickup, the #4 position sound of a Strat. Here are some of the options you have with a volume and tone control with push pull. Push Pull: L to EQ1 L to EQ2 EQ1 to EQ2 EQ1 To Tone Cap only L to Tone Cap only EQ1 is standard crossover at 1200 Hertz EQ2 is similar to a tone cap without choking the highs. L reduces impedance over the total frequency. L = 900 mh low Q humbucking inductor EQ = L in series with .02 cap up to 1200hz high Z and above 1200 hz low Z. EQ alone maintains too much of the lows below 1200hz EQ1 reduces low by 60% (10K resistor over the cap) EQ2 reduces low by 25% (25K resistor over cap) All it takes is a different resistor to change the function. Here are a couple of "standard" diagrams for wiring the Q-Filter: ![]() ![]() Heres a nice computer-drawn version, courtesy of Vito: ![]() The basic diagram, courtesy of fuzzy beard: ![]() fuzzy beard says: "Bill has indicated that you can change the value of the resistor. I use 15K or 20K ohm for both neck and bridge pickups. You keep more bass with the bigger values. Of course you might also try a 0.01F cap (or any value you like)." Q-Filter |
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smitty007 |
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OK, now 20% of the mud is cleared up. I know trying to describe sounds with words is rough so I will limit my question to application on a Strat style guitar.
Do you modify one tone knob with the Q-filter and turn the other tone knob into a master tone so that you have traditional tone functions and the Q stuff? Or, do you modify both tone knobs so that the Q-filter can apply to the pups normally controlled by the unmodified tone knobs? Or, am I still totally clueless? Thanks for the help, Smitty |
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fuzzy beard |
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*...From the Man himself*
Thanks |
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eryque |
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okay, so now i get to revive a long dead thread.
is that 900mH figure correct? i haven't seen an inductor of that value that would nearly fit inside a guitar, more like a small amplifier. maybe it's 900 microhenry, not millihenry? |
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editorjuno |
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It's 900 millihenrys Eric, just short of a full henry. Making it small enough to fit in a guitar (even under a Tele's control plate!) took some doing, but if you figure that a traditional single-coil Strat pickup is an inductor of about 2 henrys and a Q-Filter is about half the size of a Strat pickup, it's certainly not "Mission Impossible" if you know how to choose magnet wire and core material. Obviously nobody knows this kind of design engineering better that BL does!
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edder75 |
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also... just FYI the inductor in the wah pedal is around 450-600 mH and its only that small....
IMHO, theres more to just Henries when we're talkin about inductors.... like the Q, current handling capacity etc etc... i'm not that well verse in this as well but this is what I know. YMMV as always... |
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rgoodall |
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I'm about to order a set of 280/280/290s for a Warmoth mahogany/maple hollow strat I'm building, and this Q-filter sounds like an interesting tonal option. I'm a BL newbie, but a long-time physicist. It seems from the various descriptions that the QF turns your tone control into a moving notch filter. The fixed value cap normally bleeds high frequencies to ground [killing lower-and-lower frequencies as the tone knob (a resistor) is turned down, and killing almost nothing when the knob is turned up]. The inductor-cap-resistor network in the same place will only bleed off a certain band of frequencies depending on where the tone knob is [think of the inductor refusing to pass freqs that are too high and the cap as refusing to pass freqs that are too low -- only the ones in the middle get through (sorry about the anthropomorphism). Since this middle freq changes with the resistance of the tone knob, at one extreme, highs are killed (sort of the usual effect), and at the other extreme, only lower freqs are killed (but highs are preserved!) giving that acoustic-y sound. In between different string harmonics are being removed. This makes (I'm hoping) for a very alive and musical tone control. The great thing that BL has done is package up a compact, low-noise, set of components (definately an engineering feat). Now that I've been through this, I think I'm going to go with a modified "strat lover" configuration where the 5-way switch gives various neck/bridge combinations, the middle knob blends the middle pickup from 0-100%, the first knob is a master volume, and the third knob is a Q-filter master tone. I'll let you know how it works out.
Sorry for long post (especially my first). |
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fuzzy beard |
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Hi, and welcome ! The q-filter is a very handy device, indeed, and a much more usefull one than the standard treble "roll off". Your wiring project sounds exciting, too.
I suppose you're going to wire the switch to have neck and bridge pickups connected in series and parallell ? |
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rgoodall |
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I sure am. Actually the wiring I plan on doing is closer to the "S-Tastic" wiring at the GuitarNuts web site (www.guitarnuts.com/wiring...dex.html). I just finished reading some of the Testimonials on the BL web site and it sounds like Bill recommends a similar configuration (the "Hendrix mod"). I'm still working the wiring diagram I'm going to try. There is some trickiness around the tone control of the middle pup. I may need a concentric pot on it with at least a cap. I'm sure it won't take more than a few thousand hours of fiddling around to get it all figured out!
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fuzzy beard |
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I used to have a simpler verison of this wiring on my strat. I got that scheme from David White, the late Englishman who made some very nice single coils a few years back.
When I got Bill's pickups, I just dropped this wiring in favour of the simpler and IMO the more convinient stock 5-way, replacing the regular tone control with the q-filter. My set of 290/280/280 delivers everything I could ever ask for. Try it, before you go for a rewire. Could save you a few thousand hours of work A most amusing thing about the filter; I get a lot of questions about my "power bridge". Where on earth are the piezo saddles? The music police think that I'm using acoustic playback. When I tell them it's actually a 20$ filter hidden in my guitar, they don't belive it |
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LRS2hands |
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i have what i believe to be a L500 with a Qfilter that i acquired some years ago from a third party with no papers or info. the black-bodied soapbar pickup has the Lawrence name/logo centered between two blades and the white shethed wire has a red and black inside a bluish shielding with a bare ground wire (all very tiny gauge wires) i thought for sometime there were two blacks, but no. not knowing exactly what i have and being even more confused on the wire leads, i discovered the Lawrence wiring parallels the Gibson but mine doesnt seem to follow suite. the application i hoped for could split the HB coils and choose each one singularly, but i may need to get it rewound to go there. any direction to be found among the sage? thanks for any help offered...
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nocaster |
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SUMMARY: 1.0 Henry Low Q inductor replaces cap at the tone pot in combination with a cap and a resistor (C & R in parallel with the inductor in series). You can make the bridge pickup sound like a middle or neck pickup, or even duplicate the sound of an acoustic guitarif you use hi-fi speakers. (see 2nd post on this page for *detail*) |
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mdazb |
Q filter What does it do, exactly | #34 | ||
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But how do you or can you wire one into a guitar with one vol pot only.(washburn N4,N2)?
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nocaster |
Re: Q filter What does it do, exactly | #35 | ||
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It's wired to tone (not volume) pots.
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soundsauna |
I'm confused... | #36 | ||
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I've read Bill's post above several times and I'm confused. I am thinking of getting either an L-500L/280/280 or L-500L/290/290 setup. I think I want the Q-Filter with either option. I have a standard fat strat setup HSS with 5-way switch, vol, mid tone, neck tone. I understand that with the L-500L you move the mid tone to the bridge and then attach the Q-Filter to that tone control. I also happen to have a ON-ON-ON DPDT switch and a ON-ON DPDT switch that I installed for a Dimarzio Dual Sound that I'm getting rid of. Can I use one or both of these switches to get the different functions out of the Q-Filter. I don't really care about doing anything to the neck pickup but I want to get the most out of the Q-Filter in the bridge position. Can I use one or both of the aforementioned switches to maximize the flexibility of the Q-Filter? What is the Hendrix mod and can I get that with one of the switches as well, that sounds pretty cool. thanks
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nocaster |
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You can use whatever switching combos work for you. IMO, don't try and get too fancy, but Bill can help you there.
> "I've read Bill's post above several times and I'm confused." Join the club > "What is the Hendrix mod [...]" The Hendrix mod is the way Hendrix got 7-way switching. If you implement 7-way switching another way you achieve the same thing, but of course it's not the Hendrix mod. A diagram for the Hendrix mod is available from Bill. |
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veff |
q filter AGAIN....... | #38 | ||
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sorry.......
what i don't understand ,is if the q filter let a positions in the tone pot that sounds exactly as if the q filter wasn't there,i've already ordered it ,and now i've this doubt.... any help??(i've only a tone pot...) |
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SilverRocket1234 |
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I have a couple of questions about the Q-filter:
1) I have a 290 in the bridge and 280 in the neck and middle positions. Is the Q-Filter generally used with the bridge pickup only in this situation, or for multiple pickups, or in some other configuration? 2) I'm thinking of hooking up to my bridge pickup. How well would it handle the bass when turned down (does it decrease treble, or just mids? Does the bass stay intact or does it increase relative to the other frequencies?)? Would it be able to provide a useful clean sound from the bridge pickup only (something that I find lacking at the moment because there isn't enough warmth, and is characteristic of Strats in general)? The main worry I have is that not being able to use the usual treble-bleed tone control for the bridge pickup anymore would make all the tones from there too bright. 3) Bill mentioned in that earlier post the two functions that it can be used for: "L Filter" and "EQ Filter". Is it the same Q-filter providing both options, depending on which pickup it's wired to, or do you have to order specifically or wire differently for one purpose or the other? Thanks. |
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nocaster |
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1) Depends on the pups. In the case of 280's/290's it is applicable in all positions. In the case of L-500's it works best at the bridge with the L-500L and L-500XL...with the greatest variety of tones available with the XL.
2) Unlike a std tone, where most folks leave it on full, the Q-Filter delivers a useable tone throughout, which can deliver a wide range of tones, depending on what you plug into. 3) Same Q-Filter, wired differently. |
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